[Bug 4011] [New] Needless packages when installing LXDE

[Jacques Pronchery]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

Summary: Needless packages when installing LXDE
Product: Mageia
Version: Cauldron
Platform: i586
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Normal
Component: Installer
AssignedTo: bugsquad-odJJhXpcy38dnm+***@public.gmane.org
ReportedBy: jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org


When installing LXDE with only configuration,
there are many needless kde and qt packages and some others.

[Thierry Vignaud]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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CC| |thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org
RPM Package| |task-lxde

--- Comment #1 from Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-03 16:48:12 CET ---
urpmi -v -v --debug task-lxde > lxde.txt ...

[Jacques Pronchery]

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--- Comment #2 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-03 18:19:31 CET ---
Created attachment 1327
--> https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=1327
File lxde.txt

When installing task-lxde there are not KDE packages.
But, in the installer when I choose LXDE there are KDE packages.

[Manuel Hiebel]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> changed:

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Keywords| |NEEDINFO

--- Comment #3 from Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-03 18:59:53 CET ---
(the urpmi task-lxde was to do in a clean install I guess)

can you provide the file /root/drakx/report.bug.gz as an attachment ?

[Jacques Pronchery]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #4 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-03 21:57:02 CET ---
Created attachment 1328
--> https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=1328
Here is the file /root/drakx/report.bug.gz

[Manuel Hiebel]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #5 from Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-07 01:28:41 CET ---
Strange because I see nothing after the chooseGroups step.

Have you example of kde/qt rpms ?

[Jacques Pronchery]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #6 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-07 11:04:54 CET ---
Created attachment 1340
--> https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=1340
List of packages

Here is the list of packages installed.
I had only installed firefox and java-sun.
For instance there is nepomuk.
I install with ftp with cd burned with the last boot.iso (5/1/2012).
I choose first "personal" then "lxde" with only "configuration".

[Manuel Hiebel]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Keywords|NEEDINFO |
CC| |balcaen.john-***@public.gmane.org
RPM Package|task-lxde |meta-task

--- Comment #7 from Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-07 18:59:40 CET ---
hum maybe it's because of *-handbook in Group: Books/Other

Thierry,John, I'am correct ?

[John Balcaen]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #8 from John Balcaen <balcaen.john-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-07 18:48:16 CET ---
The handbooks are installed only via « suggests » because some kde package(kdm,
kdelibs4-core, kdebase4-runtime etc etc) are installed.
From the debug log it seems that kde was explicity installed if i'm reading
correctly (it's the first time :p) :

* compssUsers.pl got: "Server|Web/FTP", "Server|Mail", "Server|Database",
"Server|Firewall/Router", "Server|Network Computer server", "Workstation|Office
Workstation", "Workstation|Game station", "Workstation|Multimedia station",
"Workstation|Internet station", "Workstation|Network Computer (client)",
"Workstation|Configuration", "Workstation|Console Tools",
"Workstation|Development", "Workstation|Documentation", "Workstation|LSB",
"Graphical Environment|KDE Workstation", "Graphical Environment|GNOME
Workstation", "Graphical Environment|LXDE Desktop", "Graphical
Environment|Other Graphical Desktops"

[Manuel Hiebel]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #9 from Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-08 14:22:47 CET ---
maybe:

* compssUsersChoice selected: "Workstation|Configuration", "Graphical
Environment|LXDE Desktop"
* packageCallbackChoices: default choice ('kdm') from kdm,gdm,slim for dm

* setSelectedFromCompssList: reached size 1446MB, up to indice 4 (less than
28Gio) for flags 3D BURNER CAT_ACCESSIBILITY CAT_CONFIG CAT_LXDE
CAT_MINIMAL_DOCS CAT_SYSTEM CAT_X CHARSET"iso-8859-15" DVD LOCALES"fr"
LOCALES"fr_FR" META_CLASS"download" SMP SOUND TRUE USB UTF8

...

* rpmsrate_flags_chosen's: 3D BURNER CAT_ACCESSIBILITY CAT_CONFIG CAT_LXDE
CAT_MINIMAL_DOCS CAT_SYSTEM CAT_X CHARSET"iso-8859-15" DVD LOCALES"fr"
LOCALES"fr_FR" META_CLASS"download" SMP SOUND TRUE USB UTF8

* !CAT_GNOME&&!CAT_XFCE&&CAT_OFFICE CAT_KDE 4MB Default-kde4-config

[Manuel Hiebel]

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--- Comment #10 from Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-10 17:32:38 CET ---
In fact there is the same issue in mga 1 with the dvd

[Jacques Pronchery]

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--- Comment #11 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-15 14:35:00 CET ---
Now it is worse !
I have LXDE with KDE gui (menu ...).

[Olivier Blin]

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Olivier Blin <mageia-RZzICDNEOQ/***@public.gmane.org> changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Olivier Blin <mageia-RZzICDNEOQ/***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-16 23:47:51 CET ---
We could have gdm listed in /etc/urpmi/prefer.vendor.list (so that it gets
selected by default for the "dm" virtual package), it probably pulls less deps
than kdm

[John Balcaen]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #13 from John Balcaen <balcaen.john-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 00:44:20 CET ---
what about slim or simply xdm?

[John Balcaen]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #14 from John Balcaen <balcaen.john-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 00:47:52 CET ---
also for task-xfce it should probably better to pull lxdm since it's supposed
to be for lxde ?

[Jacques Pronchery]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #15 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 10:13:59 CET ---
(In reply to comment #14)

Post by John Balcaen
also for task-xfce it should probably better to pull lxdm since it's supposed
to be for lxde ?

lxdm works, but on my PC it uses 50% CPU times permanently.
(I have a processor with 2 cores).

xdm works fine.

[Jacques Pronchery]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #16 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 11:39:26 CET ---
Now if using xdm or slim we cannot choose the gui and it is KDE which start.
You can delete kdm and use only gdm.

[oups emma]

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--- Comment #17 from oups emma <oupsemma-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 13:51:40 CET ---
Created attachment 1377
--> https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=1377
/root/drakx/report.bug.arj

[oups emma]

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oups emma <oupsemma-***@public.gmane.org> changed:

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--- Comment #18 from oups emma <oupsemma-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 12:53:24 CET ---
Using the boot.iso image, I wanted to install Lxde and other light desktops,
carefully unticking the checkboxes for Gnome and KDE.
1317 packages were installed and when rebooting the computer, there was no
graphical login manager. I logged in with $ startx and got a full KDE session.
Launching an Openbox session was impossible.
I've been removing these KDE and Qt packages, installed Lxdm, logged out of
the session and was able to have a working Lxdm login screen enabling me to
choose from E17, IceWM, Lxde and drak3d sessions.

[Jacques Pronchery]

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--- Comment #19 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 13:18:36 CET ---
Correction : gdm do not start at boot and I have the console.
startx for lauching LXDE.

[Georges Eckenschwiller]

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Georges Eckenschwiller <paiiou-***@public.gmane.org> changed:

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--- Comment #20 from Georges Eckenschwiller <paiiou-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 14:24:43 CET ---
Can we not make an analogy with the 3060 report ?

[Jacques Pronchery]

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--- Comment #21 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 16:30:14 CET ---
Yes there is an analogy.
If installing only task-lxde + task-X + drakconf there is no kde packages.
But there is gdm which do not works.

[Manuel Hiebel]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #22 from Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-17 18:05:54 CET ---
Well something is wrong somewhere. in the prefer.vendor.list, in the
compssUsers.pl, in the rpmsrate, or in some require of pkgs

But I don't know :(

[Jacques Pronchery]

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--- Comment #23 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-22 11:57:41 CET ---
Created attachment 1402
--> https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=1402
urpme -a kde command

After installing LXDE if I want delete kde I do :
"urpme -a kde" and it want to delete lxde, gnome and gtk packages.
(see attachement)
I think there is a big problem of dependency.
If I use rpmdrake I can delete kde and qt packages and then delete orphans
without delete lxde, gnome or gtk packages.

[Thierry Vignaud]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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RPM Package|meta-task |task-lxde

--- Comment #24 from Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-22 14:42:36 CET ---
1) There's nothing wrong per se to have requires a package with gnome or kde in
its name (beginning with gtk (the GNOME ToolKit)
2) it's normal suggested packages could be removed without removing the
packages that are suggested them (that's the difference between requires &
suggests)

[Thierry Vignaud]

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--- Comment #25 from Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-22 13:42:52 CET ---
Created attachment 1403
--> https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=1403
Installing task-lxde

Looks like it's OK (no more KDE packages) now that task-lxde requires gdm:

mkdir temp/dev -p
urpmi.addmedia --urpmi-root=temp --distrib --mirrorlist
urpmi --urpmi-root=temp basesystem --justdb 2>&1|tee LOG.lxde2
urpmi --urpmi-root=temp task-lxde --justdb 2>&1|tee LOG.lxde3

[Georges Eckenschwiller]

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--- Comment #26 from Georges Eckenschwiller <paiiou-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-22 15:21:49 CET ---
(In reply to comment #23)

Created attachment 1402 [details]
urpme -a kde command
"urpme -a kde" and it want to delete lxde, gnome and gtk packages.
(see attachement)
I think there is a big problem of dependency.
If I use rpmdrake I can delete kde and qt packages and then delete orphans
without delete lxde, gnome or gtk packages.

Although my problem is not exactly the same (I use xfce), to delete the
packages
unnecessary, I do
urpme docbook-dtds qt4-common
and then :
urpme --auto-orphans

This way I remove any package concerning gtk.

[Jacques Pronchery]

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--- Comment #27 from Jacques Pronchery <jacques.pronchery-1tsiiZ//OF9QFI55V6+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-22 15:36:24 CET ---
OK, if I do "urpme -a qt4" and then I delete orphans, it is fine.

But I have seen that pulseaudio have been deleted.
If I want to install pulseaudio it ask for 2 choices.

1) "apper" which then install many kde packages
2) "gnome-packagekit-common" which install few gnome packages.

I think for LXDE it is better to choose the second one.

[Manuel Hiebel]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Summary|Needless packages when |Needless packages when
|installing LXDE |installing drakconf
RPM Package|task-lxde |meta-task

--- Comment #28 from Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-28 03:01:57 CET ---
Minimal install + personnal choice, if I select xguest, userdrake, drakconf (in
the 'other DE', 'lxde' or 'gnome' group)

I get:
default choice 'kdm' from kdm,gdm,slim,lxdm, for dm (xdm is missing as provide)

xguest require dm, userdrake had a suggest for xguest

but I see nothing in the rpmsrate or in the prefer.vendor.list about kdm
so from where is it ?

I would be agree with Comment 12, 13 and fix/close this bug

[Georges Eckenschwiller]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4011

--- Comment #29 from Georges Eckenschwiller <paiiou-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-28 09:46:52 CET ---
Hello all,
I do not think we can not consider that the bug is fixed.
Because the question is:
why kdm is proposed for display manager, while the choosen desktop is LXDE ?
Indeed, it is not prefer.vendor.list. But who then?

A note: xdm does not provide dm (actualy)

Georges