[Bug 2317] [New] --update option should behave like --search-media <list of the update media>

[Pascal Terjan]

https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317

Summary: --update option should behave like --search-media
<list of the update media>
Product: Mageia
Version: Cauldron
Platform: i586
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Normal
Component: RPM Packages
AssignedTo: bugsquad-odJJhXpcy38dnm+***@public.gmane.org
ReportedBy: pterjan-***@public.gmane.org
RPM Package: urpmi


Using urpmi --update (or MageiaUpdate) is almost equivalent to --media <list of
the update media>, it would be better if it acted as --search-media <list of
the update media>, meaning that it can resolve dependencies using other media

The code almost does it (it sets searchmedia on the update media) except that
there are several calls to non_ignored_media($urpm, $options{update}) which
means that non update media will be excluded.

Even without changing current behavior, I think it would have made more sense
to temporary ignore other media (like with --media) instead of having this
option to non_ignored_media().

[Thierry Vignaud]

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--- Comment #1 from Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-07-29 08:35:03 CEST ---
Our policy was that update media should be self contained.
Else this bring a hell of issues.
People having part of core (eg: DVD media) may miss some dependancies if update
media are not self contained...

[Thomas Backlund]

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--- Comment #2 from Thomas Backlund <tmb-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-01 12:04:56 CEST ---
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Post by Thierry Vignaud
Our policy was that update media should be self contained.

that was the mdv way, yes.
but it's bad, as it adds duplicate rpms on the mirrors & bigger hdlists in
updates tree.

yes we could hardlink rpms, but it would need more complex setup on the primary
mirror side, and it wouldn't help with the hdlists

Post by Thierry Vignaud
Else this bring a hell of issues.
People having part of core (eg: DVD media) may miss some dependancies if update
media are not self contained...

The "add updates only" media option should be dropped from rpmdrake/media
manager.
We now tell people to add all online medias to get full support.

Adding full medias only need to download the /release hdlists once as the
medias are frozen.

[Samuel VERSCHELDE]

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[Samuel VERSCHELDE]

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--- Comment #3 from Samuel VERSCHELDE <stormi-QFKgK+***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-01 12:56:48 CEST ---
we already have updates failing because of that (packages that add new
requires), so if we agree to change the behaviour of --update, it would be good
to issue an update of urpmi for Mageia 1.

[Eugeni Dodonov]

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--- Comment #4 from Eugeni Dodonov <eugeni-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-06 16:51:25 CEST ---
The mandriva secteam solution for this problem was to provide all the packages
required by an update together with the update itself.

E.g., if updated version of appA now requires appB from main repository, it was
simple rebuilt alongside appA and released with it.

This actually make sense from the support point of view, as it ensures that
when package gets new requirements, those requirements are available alongside
it.

Yes, it causes rpm duplication and such, but still it looks like the correct
way to do it for me..

[Nicolas Vigier]

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--- Comment #5 from Nicolas Vigier <boklm-dK+***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-07 11:37:20 CEST ---
It makes senses if some people use updates media but don't have the release
media. But if we say that everybody should have the corresponding release media
to use the updates media, it's not useful to provide a copy of the release
packages.

[Thierry Vignaud]

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--- Comment #6 from Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-08 13:59:58 CEST ---
A few remarks:
1) This will make MageiaUpdate wey slower
(quite a lot more synthesis to parse, quite a lot more of requires
to parse/compute)
2) Even with that behaviour, we WILL STILL FAILL on some machines
if user has eg DVD media but not full network media
and thus some packages may still be missing from DVD
3) Fred Lepied, Frederic Crozat & Warly have decided to remove
all code that was adding full media and the like, checking for
missing media, ... b/c of that


It's quite a lot more work to try to make this work than just add/link the
missing media to */updates

What's more at this stage, after release.
We've a decade of history & experience of what works and what doesn't, so why
try to go the bad way again?

[Thomas Backlund]

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--- Comment #7 from Thomas Backlund <tmb-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-08 15:07:05 CEST ---
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Post by Thierry Vignaud
1) This will make MageiaUpdate wey slower
(quite a lot more synthesis to parse, quite a lot more of requires
to parse/compute)

This is a real issue, yes.

Post by Thierry Vignaud
2) Even with that behaviour, we WILL STILL FAILL on some machines
if user has eg DVD media but not full network media
and thus some packages may still be missing from DVD
3) Fred Lepied, Frederic Crozat & Warly have decided to remove
all code that was adding full media and the like, checking for
missing media, ... b/c of that

This is not an issue if we _require_ all online medias to be added,
and remove the option to "add updates media only"

Post by Thierry Vignaud
It's quite a lot more work to try to make this work than just add/link the
missing media to */updates
What's more at this stage, after release.

This is the real important point right now for the already released distro.
Let's do the linking thing for Mageia 1, in order to get it fixed _fast_ in a
way we know works.

Post by Thierry Vignaud
We've a decade of history & experience of what works and what doesn't, so why
try to go the bad way again?

Progress means re-evaluting decisions made earlier to see if things have
changed / can be changed. Status quo is not always the best (or worst) option.

The point now is that pretty much every user have full medias added anyway,
so we really should take advantage of that.

But the hdlists/synthesis/metadata issue needs to be reviewed/fixed/optimized.

[Dave Hodgins]

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[Dave Hodgins]

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[Dave Hodgins]

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--- Comment #8 from Dave Hodgins <davidwhodgins-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-18 20:49:32 CEST ---
As new dependencies are being added now, to packages in Updates Testing, and
the discussion on the sysadmin mailing list indicates the preference is to
modify the behaviour of mgaapplet, rather then copying the dependencies from
Core Release, the priority of this bug is very high.

It's currently blocking other updates.

[Thierry Vignaud]

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--- Comment #9 from Thierry Vignaud <thierry.vignaud-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-19 17:23:37 CEST ---
err, one email doesn't exactly define a consensus IMHO...

[Nicolas Vigier]

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--- Comment #10 from Nicolas Vigier <boklm-dK+***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-19 19:27:07 CEST ---
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Post by Thierry Vignaud
1) This will make MageiaUpdate wey slower
(quite a lot more synthesis to parse, quite a lot more of requires
to parse/compute)

Slower when installing ? or slower when searching for new updates ?

I don't know a lot about urpmi/MageiaUpdate so maybe I'm wrong, but I think it
doesn't need to parse synthesis from release repository when searching for new
updates, so it shouldn't be slower for this. It would be slower when installing
the updates, but it would be the same as in rpmdrake ?

[Jerome Quelin]

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[Olivier Blin]

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--- Comment #11 from Olivier Blin <mageia-RZzICDNEOQ/***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-25 01:04:08 CEST ---
Don't we configure all media (including Core) by default when adding updates
media?
The live installer does configure all media at first reboot.
IIRC, the classical installer configures all media as well if network is
available;
What is the behavior of the update tool when configuring updates media?

[Michael Scherer]

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[Manuel Hiebel]

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[Dave Hodgins]

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[Dave Hodgins]

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[Michael Scherer]

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--- Comment #12 from Michael Scherer <misc-QFiJtcdG+***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-25 11:17:50 CEST ---
If the sped is the problem, why not simply do like this :
try to install eeything with updates media, if it fail du to missing deps, redo
silently with all medias.

This way, installs are still fast most of the time, and we are safe ( but lower
) for the rest.

That seems like the best compromise.

[Dave Hodgins]

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[Stew Benedict]

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--- Comment #13 from Stew Benedict <stewbintn-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-08-28 23:44:48 CEST ---
*** Bug 2155 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

[Dave Hodgins]

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[Samuel VERSCHELDE]

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--- Comment #14 from Samuel VERSCHELDE <stormi-QFKgK+***@public.gmane.org> 2011-09-01 10:46:58 CEST ---
During latest packager meeting, it was decided that ultimately we would like
the behaviour of the --update option to be changed, but before this happens
(for this to happen "someone" has to do it) we have to provide the needed
dependencies in the updates media.

[Dave Hodgins]

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--- Comment #15 from Dave Hodgins <davidwhodgins-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-09-01 22:42:29 CEST ---
In https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2097#c35
I've created a patch for /usr/sbin/MageiaUpdate
https://bugs.mageia.org/attachment.cgi?id=742&action=diff

Please apply it to rpmdrake-5.26.10-1.mga1.src.rpm
and push to Core Updates Testing.

Thanks, Dave Hodgins

[Dave Hodgins]

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--- Comment #16 from Dave Hodgins <davidwhodgins-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-09-02 03:31:18 CEST ---
Regarding my suggested patch. Hold on.

Per https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2097#c38
while the patch did allow the update to pick up the dependencies from
Core Release, it also then suggested some updates from Backports
Testing, even though the repository was not enabled.

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[Samuel VERSCHELDE]

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Assigning to maintainer now that our maintainers database has an entry for
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[Samuel VERSCHELDE]

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--- Comment #18 from Samuel VERSCHELDE <stormi-QFKgK+***@public.gmane.org> 2011-10-02 22:10:21 CEST ---
New situation where this bug occurs when the tainted updates media are
activated and the tainted version of a package has an update, even if the
update does not add new deps.

=> MageiaUpdate needs deps from Tainted Release in order to update to the
tainted package.

Steps to reproduce:

urpme libdca0
urpmi vlc --excludemedia Updates,Tainted
MageiaUpdate (with tainted updates media activated)

=> it wants to update vlc to the tainted version and fails because of missing
libdca0

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[Manuel Hiebel]

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--- Comment #19 from Manuel Hiebel <manuel-XA19kHydqdCHXe+***@public.gmane.org> 2011-10-14 00:51:13 CEST ---
hello is the bug 3038 related to this one ?

[claire robinson]

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--- Comment #20 from claire robinson <eeeemail-***@public.gmane.org> 2011-10-14 01:27:56 CEST ---
I don't think so. This shouldn't affect rpmdrake, only mageiaupdate.

Our script doesn't show any change in recursive dependencies for
apache-mod_userdir either. I would say that is a conflict of some sort.

[andré blais]

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[Jeff Johnson]

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--- Comment #21 from Jeff Johnson <n3npq-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-07 21:01:23 CET ---
tracked at https://bugs.launchpad.net/rpm/+bug/913230

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[Dave Hodgins]

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--- Comment #22 from Dave Hodgins <davidwhodgins-***@public.gmane.org> 2012-01-28 04:34:47 CET ---
If a package is in Tainted updates with a new requires, and
that requires can be satisfied by a package in Core Updates
does anyone know if that will work or does the package
have to be linked to Tainted Updates too?